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Stanford Prison Experiment
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The Stanford Prison Study
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Sep 9 2009, 3:12 PM EDT by
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For an interesting film adaptation of the study, take a look at "Das Experiment," (The Experiment), based on Mario Giordano's novel The Black Box, which shows an albeit exaggerated depiction of what might have happened, had the study been allowed to go even more out of control. On the web at: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0250258/. For an article from the APA critical of the film's depiction of the study: http://www.apa.org/monitor/mar02/filmcritic.html.
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Compassion
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Discussion Forum
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Nov 16 2008, 5:47 PM EST by
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Thread started: Nov 12 2008, 11:30 AM EST
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So I'd be curious to hear how everyone's day of compassion went, and if you want to share about your experience you can feel to comment here!
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Nov 16 2008, 5:47 PM EST
Idid my DOC last Wednesday. It went well, but I felt like I didn't do nearly enough to really live up to the label of Day of Compassion. I was big on informational support and instrumental support, and managed to work in some relational support. But, I just didn't have the time to do all that I should have. It was a fairly constant flow of choice between proself and prosocial; I could do something for someone else, but then again, there was also stuff I was supposed to be getting done myself. I could have spent the day, easily, in prosocial activity, but my own life demands intruded and prevented me from meeting the full requirements of a day of compassion. I was, however, on my best behavior on the road!
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Is sex unnatural
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Is war really natural?
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Oct 13 2008, 11:45 AM EDT by
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Child birth is certainly natural, yet studies suggest that as much as 10-15% of women experience postpartum depression. Does this psychological stress suggest that child birth is not natural?
And also, the statistic that 30% of soldiers never fired their weapon in the field makes me wonder what percentage of soldier aged men are virgins. Certainly sex is natural and yet many soldier aged men may have yet to "fire their weapons in the field" so to speak with respect to intercourse. Does this suggest that sex is u natural? Certainly just as military programs indoctrinate soldiers to kill, so does popular culture indoctrinate us with gender roles and sex goals etc.
Perhaps killing is natural, but killing people whom you have no personal quarrels against is a bit un-natural. Perhaps it is this impersonal killing that requires the army to drill soldiers with "kill, kill, kill" slogans.
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What about religion?
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Is bad stronger than good?
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Sep 18 2008, 11:37 PM EDT by
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"Love conquers all," according to my Yogi Tea bag's paper label.
Clearly, this Yogi has not read Baumeister. Accordingly, this Yogi's scores on the "Information-Integration Models of Moral Thought" graph would definitely not look like yours or mine. When I hear “cruel” clumped with “honest” and “loyal,” all that pops into my mind is a little devil, leaving no room for the two little “honest” and “loyal” angels.
So, to say that "Love conquers all" would be wrong (and naïve), right? Since evil is dominates over good, should we just save the effort, give up all hope for the future, and become pessimists? Do we give up our religions and their promises of a better future or afterlife because the devil is going to win anyway?
At first glance, Baumeister’s article would seem to answer “yes” to these questions since “bad is stronger than good (Baumeister 323).” However, he does mention that "the greater frequency of good is the natural complement to the greater power of bad: Good can only match or overcome bad by strength of numbers (Baumeister 356)."
Knowing this, I think it becomes even more important to remain optimistic (and maybe even a little naïve). We need even more good to combat the bad. So, human inventions like religion and sappy phrases like “Love conquers all” practically become necessary to counterbalance the evil in the world. (However, it is interesting to think what would happen if we did just give up all hope for the future. What would happen?...)
So, perhaps this Yogi should edit his phrase to say, "A whole lot of love might conquer a little evil." Not as catchy as the original, but at least it's true...
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Sep 18 2008, 11:37 PM EDT
I think that the question of the intersections between good and evil and religion is a very intriguing and valid one and so I just developed a page on the topic. Feel free to contribute to it or follow along as we start to delve into some of the empirical research on this... Hopefully we can begin to answer some of these questions together!
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Universalism as Justice
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Gendered Value Differences
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Sep 15 2008, 1:19 PM EDT by
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In Schwartz and Rubel's article "Sex Difference in Value Priorities..." the general discussion alludes that these value priorities affect the way certain genders will act morally. Studies done by Jaffee and Hyde (2000) showed almost identical numbers between a "care orientation" to "benevolence" in women. Jaffee and Hyde's work showed that men usually favored a justice orientation. Schwartz and Rubel combat this claim stating that because women usually favored universalism in their studies (across cultures and ages) that perhaps women actually favor a justice orientation.
This raises the age old question: what is justice? What is the operational definition of justice. Jaffee and Hyde placed emphasis on "fairness, equity, autonomy, rights, and duties." This emphasis and makeshift definition seems somewhat ambiguous. Fairness and duties could be in opposition to one another--whereas a women favoring universalism could choose fairness and a man favoring self direction would choose duty. Is the definition- justice as fairness? Is it eye for an eye? Are these good enough criteria to claim one gender is more just than another?
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Re: frustrated needs and suicide
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Can evil be explained by basic human needs?
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Sep 14 2008, 11:35 PM EDT by
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Killing oneself might satisfy several basic needs--self efficacy, belonging/positive connection, positive identity and even comprehension of reality. Joining a cult and committing mass suicide seems a bit like Staub's Pseudo-transcendence.
It is interesting to wonder to what degree are leaders responsible for the actions of their followers and to what extent are followers responsible. Is it the receptivity and vulnerability of followers to suggestions that make evil acts possible? If so, who's responsible for the evil... the leader offering his suggestions, or the follower who accepts?
Perhaps a mix of both. And if thoughts can not be evil, but only actions can, then the followers as agents of the leader may be most morally responsible for an action. As their following is subject to their frustrated needs (ala Staub) then perhaps the frustration of needs can still be thought of as the cause of evil.
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Kohlberg Dilemma
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Kohlberg and the Trolley Car
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Sep 14 2008, 8:31 PM EDT by
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Heinz should not have broken the law, just because he has strong, personal needs. The law exists for a reason, and if people only obeyed it when it suited them, then there would be civil chaos. Yes, the druggist is violating principles of humanity and fairness, and is wrong for doing so. But, his immorality does not justify Heinz's actions--he has violated the druggest fundamental rights.
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Sep 14 2008, 8:31 PM EDT
Undoubtedly, Heinz' action brings into question the druggist's unjust treatment of human rights, as well as his own morality as a robber. However, the flipside of this situation brings in equally difficult moral questions, and I find it interesting that discussion has not focused more on Heinz' other option in this situation. The alternative course of action in this situation would have been, essentially, inaction. Had Heinz not stolen the drug, thereby remaining inactive in the situation, his wife would have died. In this situation, it is widely accepted that the druggist behaves immorally since he is directly prohibiting the woman from obtaining life-saving drugs. One aspect of this situation that is easily overlooked is the role of the husband. While the husband's inaction ensures that he acts morally (in the sense that he won't be violating society's laws), it also raises the question, Is the husband also condemning his wife to death by not taking action? Is the husband guilty along with the druggist? By not committing one immoral act (robbery), is he committing a graver, more immoral act (sitting back & allowing his wife to die)?
Another interesting aspect of this dilemma is the characters involved. After reading "Sex Differences in Value Priorities," by Schwartz & Rubel, I would expect that the gender of the characters in this story play important roles. If the husband had been dying and the wife had been charged with the responsibility to make the moral judgement with the druggist, would the wife make the same decision? Since women highly value benevolence (i.e. "Presevation & enhancement of the welfare of people with whom one is in frequent personal contact" (Schwartz 1011)), I would expect the wife to steal the drug and, therefore, preserve the welfare of her husband by preserving his life.
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Trolley Car
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Kohlberg and the Trolley Car
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Sep 8 2008, 1:48 PM EDT by
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It is necessary for Oscar to throw the switch. As justification for my position I quote Edmund Burke when he stated, "All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." If Oscar were to do nothing he could be considered evil based upon the situation. He is essentially murdering the one person on the left hand track; however, one way to measure good or evil is the ramifications of one's actions. The simple math demonstrates that 4 less people are harmed by throwing the switch, but consider if all 6 people in the scenario have 4 family members. Now 25 people are saved the despair versus 5 (please note how these numbers would multiply if close friends and extended family were included in the calculation). Oscar needs to act and throw the switch.
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Sep 8 2008, 1:48 PM EDT
I see where everyone is coming here, but what about the sole man on the tracks, what about his family, and what about the repercussions from this one death? Oscar pulled the switch, so they could say Oscar caused it. How is Oscar to justify manipulating the situation and taking the one man’s life when it wasn’t in any original harm?
In this case, perhaps fate should take its course. If I was Oscar and I pulled that switch, I think I would feel responsible for that one person’s death. Though, if I were Oscar and I did not pull the switch I would be upset and affected by what has happened, but essentially the situation was out of my control and who was I to change the situation for what it was and decide who lives and dies?
I don’t think it’s fair to say Oscar is evil or not evil either way – he did not create this situation, and no matter what he does human life is at stake
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Try putting in a box, and then sticking content in the box
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Sandbox
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If you can put in text, then the next thing to try is putting in a "table". Tables give a bit more control over the look of the page.
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